TRACK 8EH: You said that you were never very gifted with harmony.
JC: And now that's changing. (laughter)
EH: How is that changing?
JC: It's changed through the experience of hearing Pauline Oliveros's work with Stewart Dempster--have you heard that? There's a CD out called
"Deep LIstening"*and they play together improvising using accordion, trombone, didjeridoo, voice, and playing again sounds that don't change and don't move from one to the other but simply exist so to speak in the space of time. And in a cistern in Washington they made the recording and the echo is 45 seconds long and the sound is perfectly beautiful. And the harmonies of course are the coming together of these sounds whatever they improvise. They have nothing to do with dominant tonic and so forth or triads or seventh cords. They're simply combinations of sound. So I've talked with Pauline since then and it's evident that everything is harmonious.
EH: In the sense that whatever is happening simultaneously creates a harmony.
JC: Creates a harmony. So, it's unavoidable. And that's what we both agreed and it made us chuckle or laugh. And to have spent my life...(laughter) but it's true. I was unhappy in the presence of theory.
EH: The idea of functional harmony doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.
JC: Right. And it was the structural means of European music. Not through too long a period. Only about what would you say 300-400 years?
EH:: Yeah, which seems like a big sidetrack but in the overall..
JC: If you take the globe as a whole...
EH: The rest of the world wasn't paying attention fortunately.
JC: No. A small phenomenon. (laughter) And another person whose life is devoted to harmony and with whom I've had not arguments but we thought disagreements is James Tenney. And I heard a piece of his just about a year ago in Miami which was absolutely thrilling to hear. And it began with here again a single sound repeated by different instruments and then gradually becoming microtonal slightly off and then the intervals grew larger and it went on for about 30 minutes and slowly one felt the extent of the pitches to the very low and the very high.
EH: So this was a very gradual unfolding of harmony.
JC: Right. And a marvelous experience for me. That came first and then recently, actually at Skywalker in Marin County, I heard Pauline Oliveros's work.
Conversa entre John Cage e Ed Herrmann, gravada em Berkeley, California, 19 de setembro de 1989 ____________
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